I’ve a Mustang Mowett that’s looking for a new home . It’s a complete machine and runs and rides . My daughter used it in the arena at a couple of shows last year .
Picked all of these up at the weekend . Not sure what I’m going to do with them yet . They may end up being useful to someone to restore a machine or I may end up getting them going and doing something with them . I’m not sure what they all are 🤔 looks like a villiers 10 with a reduction box . Couple of Suffolk engines . Maybe an Allen scythe engine . Any info is appreciated as I’m not all that sure . All else fails they will make great doorstops
Hi, mine was done with a on off switch for ignition, and a push switch to start. Would only start when the switch was on. I’m alright with wiring, and if your any good at wiring, you could do my setup
I’m going to try to keep it as original looking as possible to start with . If not I’ll look at that set up . I’m useless with wiring . Making the looms not too bad as I have the old one to copy 😂
Wiring loom finally detached !! Every bolt,screw and nut was either rounded or extremely rusty . I’m going to try to make a new loom as this one looks very crusty and feels brittle . Also got some rust holes on the centre console 😟 .
In my experience 90% of the time cleaning the points will get the spark back. Hope the carb is ok as that type can be a bit of a pain to work on and tend to leak fuel when the engine is not running.
Cleaned the flywheel and coil and couldn’t see a spark but got a Jult of the plug when I held it and pulled it over . Cleaned the tank out and got a load of crap out . Now not sure if I’m getting fuel in the carb that’s my next step .
My uncle needs to use a rotovator for a few days so in my wisdom I’ve offered to help and got hold of a machine to use but need to get it running first . Story of my life another machine with no spark 😡🤔 I’ll dig a bit more tomorrow but does anyone know if there is a cut of switch I’m not seeing ?
Interesting read indeed. I’m going to keep my eyes open for a spares/repair 850 to possibly use parts for my restoration just in case I run into trouble finding any of the parts .
This is one big job. Get that wiring sorted. Go to bolenspartsandsupplies.com he’s a site sponsor over at gttalk. You probably need a new key switch, new solenoid, new wiring, new ammeter. Get that rust cleaned off and see if any bad damage. See how your pulley is doing, don’t look to pretty. You could go onto ebay and get a whole shopping list off used parts, just search “bolens” under all categories and then cross reference the part numbers you see to the part manual for your 850. Also try tubeframes.com and bolenspartsandsupplies.com and see all the parts you could possibly use
And does your pro go into gear? You probably need a new coil as you said it wasn’t sparking, your clutch is probably frozen too. So it’ll need dismantled
And I don’t think you’ll get any spark without a working voltage regulator, but send bolens 1000 a pm on gttalk, he’s the owner of bolens parts and supplies
I’m going to get it all stripped and cleaned then test the parts as this has the magnito system rather than the normal coil .
2 hours ago, slf-uk said:
HI Scott,
It looks like the ignition switch may have been replaced too although don't take that as gospel because I have not come an early 850 like yours. Regulators are not that expensive and you can even buy a compelete new wiring loom, although you will need to make sure it will suit your tractor. The wiring diagram (and parts manual) I sent you is for a 192-02 so it would be worth asking the folk on GTT if anyone has a wiring diagram and parts manual for a 192-01.
I found the beest parts suppliers are Rick and Brian although if they don't have the parts give Justin a look (www.tubeframes.com).
I am not sure about your timescales on this project but I have two 850's of similar condition, that at some point I am planning to make one good one from. I am sure I will have lots of extra parts.
Iain
I’ll jump onto there site and have a good look I’ve found the correct wiring diagram it’s the early one with the magnito . I’m aiming to get it ready for Easter next year .
1 hour ago, Triumph66 said:
Scott, once you get that engine up and running it will motivate you to clean off all that rust and crud on the chassis. These Bolens are incredibly well made and you will be pleased with it.
I’m 99.9% sure the engine will run so im not too worried about that . I’m not going to go through everything getting it all cleaned up and working then I’ll strip it back down for full paint .
That is interesting as it is not where I expected it to be, although it is a far better location because you have the space to fit a modern equivalent if it is broken.
I’m still trying to remove it from the bodywork as all the screws aare rounded and seized. The wiring itself is very brittle I was thinking about replacing it all one at a time . I’ve also found one wire that’s not connected at all . The voltage regulator does not seem to be in great condition is this an easy to replace item ? I’ve also found some rust on the tube chassis that I think is going to need repair 😟
Scott, the solenoid is difficult to get to. The picture I posted shows the fixing screws and if you slip your hand behind the side panel where the thick wire from the starter/generator disappears you will feel the solenoid.
The best way I have found to get it out is to disconnect the battery, remove the wires from the starter/generator, undo the two solenoid fixing screws and pull out the solenoid and wiring together from above, using the battery positive cable. Most models also have an additional fixing that holds the wiring away from the belts. If yours has one, this will have to come out too.
Let us know if you get stuck.
Iain
Hi Iain I’ve just managed to get to the solenoid 😓 it was a bit of a begger to get to as it was the other side under the battery tray which had some very stuck bolts .
Well today I’ve managed to get a little bit of time tinkering and I’ve managed to connect the jump leads to the dyna start and it spins over but I have no spark . I’ve looked at the points and they are clean and open and close as they should but no spark ⚡️ 🤔 any clues ?
I spoke to Iain and he suggested that you start looking at the dyna start to see if it runs and work back from there. The ignition switch can also be a cause of it not starting as can a dud solenoid. I can't see why you can't connect your jump leads on the solenoid to see if that works. The seized pto and high / low lever should not impede firing up the engine.
I’ll have another look shortly lots of stuck bolts so I’ve soaked them all to try to stop any shearing off . I’ve got the exploded diagram of the dyna start so I may strip it and clean it if I get no joy once I power from the solenoid.
Yours a 1966 model 191-01 but it has the cut-out like a 1967 model 191-02. Either they started using the cut out on the later 191-01 hoods or yours hood is from a later model, hard to say which. if you google the image you will see the pepper box should exit the bonnet centered on the hole. later modifications to many of these old machines manifold pipe has resulted in a off center placement
I think it will always stay a little bit of a mystery as I don’t know the full history of the tractor . I’m going to leave it as it is rather than plate it up and try to run with what I have . It looks like the bonnet and exhaust are least of my troubles it looks like the hi-lo and pto mechanisms are seized up and that may be why I can’t start it up ?
The hard shoulder itself is a dangerous place to end up let alone the removal of it and having to sit on a live lane until your noticed by a computer or cctv operator .
It is possible that your 850 does not have any cut-out switches. If it does it will be a single switch located under the battery tray and you will need to remove the tray (two fixings on each side) to get to it.
The solenoid is not easy to get to and is located behind the side panel. One of your pictures shows one of the fixings holding the solenoid, the second is located about 2" to the right. Fixing highlighted in this picture
If you need to replace the solenoid you will need to carefully select one as most are too deep to fit. You often see Bolens with this panel bent out in order to fit a replacement solenoid.
Tomorrow I’ll remove the panel below the battery and look for the switch . Am I right in thinking that if I get to the solenoid I’ll be able to bridge over that to test it to see if it’s an ignition switch problem ?
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I’ve a Mustang Mowett that’s looking for a new home . It’s a complete machine and runs and rides . My daughter used it in the arena at a couple of shows last year .