Wheelhorse Raider 10 or 12 ?

[sten 84]

My Raider 10 has had its Tecumseh 10hp engine replaced with a Kohler Magnum 12 at sometime in its life, question, is it still a Raider 10 or is it a Raider 12 now? Is there any other differences besides the engine between the 10 and 12?

[Ian 2,417]

As far as I know Raiders were never fitted with a Kohler Magnum engine from the factory, so I'd say it's a Raider 10 with a good upgrade..  The Magnum 12's are good strong engines

[meadowfield 1,900]

12hp makes it a raider 12 now....

That's why bendy went from a 10 to a 16, curves and power in all the right places now

[Anglo Traction 998]

My Raider 10 has had its Tecumseh 10hp engine replaced with a Kohler Magnum 12 at sometime in its life, question, is it still a Raider 10 or is it a Raider 12 now? Is there any other differences besides the engine between the 10 and 12?

There were differences even within the Raider 10 range, i.e. 3 or 6 speed.

The Lausen Techy Engine spec also differed with Tranny type.

Raiders were marketed in U.S. from late 68- 72. They stopped using Tecumseh in 1971, so your Tractor will possibly have lights fitted as standard?. In 1972 they were an Option.

Magnum Engines were not used in WH until 86 after Toro got their hands on them and ceased using so many Briggs n Strattons. 

 

So if your 10hp decals have not fallen off, you can call it a *Re-powered Raider 10 (*a term applied in the U.S).

Put another set of decals on and it's your discretion  . 

[sten 84]

There were differences even within the Raider 10 range, i.e. 3 or 6 speed.

The Lausen Techy Engine spec also differed with Tranny type.

Raiders were marketed in U.S. from late 68- 72. They stopped using Tecumseh in 1971, so your Tractor will possibly have lights fitted as standard?. In 1972 they were an Option.

Magnum Engines were not used in WH until 86 after Toro got their hands on them and ceased using so many Briggs n Strattons. 

 

So if your 10hp decals have not fallen off, you can call it a *Re-powered Raider 10 (*a term applied in the U.S).

Put another set of decals on and it's your discretion  . 

Thanks for the info, Its a 71 6 speed made in Belgium, it has lights but sadly no bonnet decals. The Magnum engine must have a wider base as 2 bolts have been welded to the outside of the chassis rails to bolt the engine down.

[Anglo Traction 998]

Thanks for the info, Its a 71 6 speed made in Belgium, it has lights but sadly no bonnet decals. The Magnum engine must have a wider base as 2 bolts have been welded to the outside of the chassis rails to bolt the engine down.

Should be a model 1-0300 then. Not an issue with having the 2 extra fixings for bolting the engine in, had to be done as the old engine is obsolete.

Your Tractor was the last of the 'Short Frames' and was actually a Transition model.

The Bonnet/Hood is the new (at the time) 'Long Hood', but the old short frame had extensions added to carry the New Hood hinges. 

 

The original Techy was mounted using an Adaptor Plate to get the right Shaft height and so the frame had very few holes predrilled for various engine types.

 

If your not already aware, Charlie Smith has an 'Intact' example of your Tractor. here's a link to his post that has some pics if it helps at all- 

http://myoldmachine.com/topic/2257-wheel-horse-front-weight-bracketbox/

[sten 84]

Should be a model 1-0300 then. Not an issue with having the 2 extra fixings for bolting the engine in, had to be done as the old engine is obsolete.

Your Tractor was the last of the 'Short Frames' and was actually a Transition model.

The Bonnet/Hood is the new (at the time) 'Long Hood', but the old short frame had extensions added to carry the New Hood hinges. 

 

The original Techy was mounted using an Adaptor Plate to get the right Shaft height and so the frame had very few holes predrilled for various engine types.

 

If your not already aware, Charlie Smith has an 'Intact' example of your Tractor. here's a link to his post that has some pics if it helps at all- 

http://myoldmachine.com/topic/2257-wheel-horse-front-weight-bracketbox/

Thanks again for the info, here are the numbers, model 1-0310, serial no. 126193

[Anglo Traction 998]

Thanks again for the info, here are the numbers, model 1-0310, serial no. 126193

Ah, ok. 1-0310 is listed (U.S.) as a '71' 12hp with a Kohler Engine in most WH records.

So you have a Belgium-ised Model that used up surplus parts from U.S. for the Euro market.

Not big deal really, as it is converted to what it should have been, albeit with a later engine.....so call it a Raider 12 and get some new Decals for it

[meadowfield 1,900]

Ah, ok. 1-0310 is listed (U.S.) as a '71' 12hp with a Kohler Engine in most WH records.

So you have a Belgium-ised Model that used up surplus parts from U.S. for the Euro market.

Not big deal really, as it is converted to what it should have been, albeit with a later engine.....so call it a Raider 12 and get some new Decals for it

:D