smart&brown model M

[C-101plowerpower 548]

i've got a new lathe

i know where this lathe was for years and been trying to get it for some years finally its mine. havent got it home yet tho

 

 

i'll put up some more when i get it home

 

[Stormin 4,458]

Looks a bit sorry for its self, but I'm sure you'll soon have it on it's way to a full recovery.

[C-101plowerpower 548]

Just now, Stormin said:

Looks a bit sorry for its self, but I'm sure you'll soon have it on it's way to a full recovery.

 

looks that way, most is dusty grease should clean up pretty quick and good

[the showman 4,074]

That's smart Koen, you wont get browned off making things now.

[C-101plowerpower 548]

finally the lathe is home, and allready started cleaning it

 

 

i guess it was sold by this guy

 

also found a name on a dirty chuck, anyone know if these are any good?

 

here is said dirty chuck, ready for a degreaser bath tomorrow

 

this will also be degreased, dont want a schticky compound slide( thats what its caller right?)

 

and the last picture for today, starting to look somewhat presentable

 

also if anyone has any idea where to find a manual and parts/accesoiries for one of these lathes let me know please

 

 

[Wristpin 400]

Google is your friend but here's for starters

http://www.lathes.co.uk/smartbrown/

[C-101plowerpower 548]

11 hours ago, Wristpin said:

Google is your friend but here's for starters

http://www.lathes.co.uk/smartbrown/

 

i have been there, cant find anything on manuals tho, might be looking over it of course

[C-101plowerpower 548]

todays progress in picture form

 

parts are cleaning up pretty nice if you'd ask me. degreaser and some 400 grit wet 'n dry sandpaper does a good job of making the metal visible again

 

its a wise desission to take it all apart, this greasy sawdust is everywhere on the machine

 

the headstock was also taken off to get to the feed clutch thingy, someone was a little rough on the handle and snapped a pin in half

 

the machine as it stands now, the ways also cleaned up pretty nice with some 400grit and degreaser

[Wristpin 400]

11 hours ago, C-101plowerpower said:

 

i have been there, cant find anything on manuals tho, might be looking over it of course

This would suggest that there may be

https://store.lathes.co.uk/print/ms580e

[C-101plowerpower 548]

3 hours ago, Wristpin said:

This would suggest that there may be

https://store.lathes.co.uk/print/ms580e

 

Ah there, i did look over it. 

Thanks wristpin

Just ordered a manual

[C-101plowerpower 548]

todays progress

 

 

 

are those blueish marks prussian blue left over from scraping it level?

[Anglo Traction 1,016]

Good to see progress on a very good quality Lathe. S & B made Tool Room standard machines and yours will, I'm sure, produce very good results.

The E H Jones Plate is the Retailer/Distributor of Machine Tools in the UK much of the first half of the last Century.

As a coincidence, I have an item which covers both EHJ and the name 'Victor' on your Chuck from 1948 (about the same age as your Lathe) Here's some images-

 

If you're not aware, the 'Smart and Brown' Company does still exist .....in a different form, but you can still obtain parts and information you may require. Here is a link-

Bracehand Ltd

Here are links via my favourite Old Engineering Search Site to some possible info you may be interested in-

VICTOR    (general search only shows up a modern Taiwanese Company)

EHJ

Lastly, I assume the 'Engineers Blue' marks are on the mating face of the Lathe Tray/Bed to Stand?. Used to identify the amount of contact between them. Progressively scraped as you say, or filed until an acceptable amount of contact and level was achieved. 

 

[Stormin 4,458]

I've got a Victor dial gauge indicator that was my fathers.

[C-101plowerpower 548]

time for a small update methinks, picture time

 

found some numbers on the back of the base, d 21. no idea what these numbers mean but they've been painted over once before and put back on in a slightly different location

 

also found some stamped numbers in one of the scraped surfaces. could this mean this is the thirteenth lathe build?

 

mostly bare metal now, time for some red oxide

 

now sporting a nice coat of RAL 3011

 

tadaaa! first coat of paint on the outside. collour/collor code is RAL 7005

 

thats all the pics for now. i did hot pressure wash the ways and some of the other big bits as they were pretty greasy and it also took most of the non original paint off.

and before you ask yes i did dry and oil all the machined surfaces after washing it

[Anglo Traction 1,016]

19 hours ago, C-101plowerpower said:

time for a small update methinks, picture time

found some numbers on the back of the base, d 21. no idea what these numbers mean but they've been painted over once before and put back on in a slightly different location

also found some stamped numbers in one of the scraped surfaces. could this mean this is the thirteenth lathe build?

 

Good progress there.

Suspect the D21 was a Workshop/Tool Room machine reference number applied by the Factory/Shop it was used in originally. They were used as a reference when setting up for a

designated 'Job Run' and for the Machine's maintenance. As it was applied to the Back of the Machine, I presume the machines were arranged within the Shop so it could be easily seen.

 

As for the number '13' stamp, not sure, but if the same number occurs on the Lathe/Tray as well, it would be a 'Match' number to keep/identify them together, as they were often shipped in a dismantled condition. If not on both parts, then it may well be it''s number out of a number units 'Cast' from that Pattern , or 'Production Run'.

 

As your's is a Mk1 Model M, is the Base Casting Aluminium or Cast Iron?.         

[C-101plowerpower 548]

15 hours ago, Anglo Traction said:

Good progress there.

Suspect the D21 was a Workshop/Tool Room machine reference number applied by the Factory/Shop it was used in originally. They were used as a reference when setting up for a

designated 'Job Run' and for the Machine's maintenance. As it was applied to the Back of the Machine, I presume the machines were arranged within the Shop so it could be easily seen.

 

As for the number '13' stamp, not sure, but if the same number occurs on the Lathe/Tray as well, it would be a 'Match' number to keep/identify them together, as they were often shipped in a dismantled condition. If not on both parts, then it may well be it''s number out of a number units 'Cast' from that Pattern , or 'Production Run'.

 

As your's is a Mk1 Model M, is the Base Casting Aluminium or Cast Iron?.         

 

mine is cast iron, bloody heavy to move

[C-101plowerpower 548]

well, i couldn't wait, so i done a dry fit of the painted parts.

looks pretty if you'd ask me

[Stormin 4,458]

That looks like new.

[nigel 1,875]

Looks great koen

[Gus 0]

Hi Guys,

I've just bought a Mk1 model M, also sold through Jones of London. I'm busy dismantling it at present but am not sure how the back gear should be removed.I've taken out the hex drive grubscrew in the casing at the change-gear end of the shaft but don't see any movement on tapping the shaft. Advice appreciated.

Gus.

[C-101plowerpower 548]

Welcome aboard Gus, got any photo's of that lathe of yours? we really like pictures around here

 

as for taking the backgear out i think all of this should be taken either off or out

 

the grubscrew you allready removed

 

than take this handle off by tapping out the little pin, i got it to slide of with some carefull hammer and chisel work

 

and then the locking mechanism, haven't put it back on mine yet but this is where it goes, should screw right out

 

then i believe you have to tap the shaft out from the handle side, if you have acces to a hydraulic press id suggest taking the headstock off. 

this can be done by loosening these two lockdowns, square socket drive should fit

this is the one at the back of the machine

 

and you can just make out the one below the chuck

 

good luck 

[Gus 0]

I certainly never expected a reply that fast! Thanks for the info and pics. I'll try to reciprocate with pics later on.

I actually have 2 S&B model Ms. The first I bought about 20 yrs ago. It originated from RAF Catterick and had been comprehensively trashed, evidence of crashes, very worn gibs, and various non essential bits missing. The headstock bearings and spindle were amazingly good however and with many adjustments the lathe worked remarkably well. It was missing its louver doors, drawbar, collets, steadies and some change gears so when I saw one on. Epay recently with all the missing bits, I had to buy it. More anon, battery low. Gus

[C-101plowerpower 548]

also a little update, this is what the lathe looks like now and has looked like for about a month or so, getting my car ready for MOT and not passing it after a bunch of work has meant not a lot has been done on the lathe

 

 

[Gus 0]

More pics to come but need a new battery for my phone. At 3% after 35 mins.

Removed the pin but found the shaft came out opposite way from yr suggestion. My lathe is prob. later than yrs as Jones' number starts 45.

Gus

[C-101plowerpower 548]

nice looking lathe so far, i also like the car lift 

are you making one complete lathe out of the two? if so i might be interested in some parts