Very nice machine. I doubt I'll ever see one over here, the nearest I might come is a Wheel Horse D-250 (Gutbrod 2500), but I would much rather have a 1032
I agree, Alain, and I've filed that TP manual. Not having the sump pan off, as the engine is still in the tractor, I'd no idea of the number.
I looked up the spec numbers on the Wheel Horse C-125, there were two. One was 47723D and the other was 44742D (the first two numbers designate the engine size 47, 12 hp 60, 14 hp) both listed the number 9 pan on the manual as the correct pan. The k321 and k341 came out several years after the k301 and therefore have slightly different numbers for the same part, but as long as you use the TP manual to reference your spec number you can find the right part, even if it has more than one part number.
Sorry Alain, I missed this one. Good looking machine after what you have done to it. The decal orientation does not affect it's appearance. Will it see/make some sawdust?.
Thanks Richard, the decal maker sent me another decal, so alls well. I'm working on another XL-100 series saw of similar in design, this one a 1975 XL-123, complete rebuild, piston, rod, rings, bearings, seals, fuel lines, etc.
The Kohler TP manual shows 47-199-08 for the Wheel Horse C-125 oil sump, but the 14 and 16 horse use the 47-200-02 number, but that is the right/same sump. The k321-k341 came out later and many of numbers changed even though the parts were the same
A sympathetic rebuild, there is a lot of wear that needs sorting, the crankshaft bearings sound a little rough so the engine needs some attention. An serious degreasing and then something to seal the paint and rust
Here is the engine manual and a Massey 7E page so you can see original tyres and paint http://www.simplicityva.com/ymf/executive.html .You probably don't have the Kohler spec and serial number decal that was originally on the engine so you will have to look closely at the TP manual and find what sump, generator, air breather, rope start or electric start or both and other parts that were particular to your engine, by doing so you maybe able to determine the original 7 hp Kohler variant Duro Corporation installed into the Massey 7E. I would say it is real possible that it is a spec number of 2801 or very close to that. The TP manuals allow you to look up the spec number and cross reference which parts were used on your tractor.
I have become aware that many do not have the Kohler TP manuals that show all the variants on different Kohler engines and how to find the right part. The best way to tell is to download the Kohler TP manual on each engine model (or your engine) and compare part numbers, There are two sump pans for the K301 and K341 that interchange, but there are many more that don't. It depends on what tractor and engine as much as the horsepower . The TP manuals show all the various parts used on each engine i.e. all the starters and generators used on the all the different k301 variants, all the oil pans, carburetors, dipsticks, alternators, air breathers, etc. There is also a numerical system incorporated in the TP manuals that allows you to know what part was used on your variant by the use of the spec number that is on the engine. This is all basic reference 101 and saves much times and money in finding parts that actually fit. Attached is the TP manual for the Kohler K301. This manual covers dozens of K301 variant engines and if the "spec number" sticker is missing from your engine there is a website that you can find it. If anyone one wants TP manuals for other Kohler engines let me know
Thanks Harry. I'll make enquiries and let you know.
Can you PM me the dimensions please? No rush.
The best way to tell is to download the Kohler TP manual on each engine model (or your engine) and compare part numbers, There are two sump pans for the K301 and K341 that interchange, but there are many more that don't. It depends on what tractor as much as what hp. The TP manuals show all the various parts used on each engine i.e. all the starters and generators used on the all the different k301 variants, all the oil pans, carburetors, dipsticks, alternators, air breathers, etc. There is also a numerical system incorporated in the TP manuals that allows you to know what part was used on your variant by the use of the spec number that is on the engine. This is all basic reference 101 and saves much times and money in finding parts that actually fit. Attached is the TP manual for the Kohler K301. This manual covers dozens of K301 variant engines and if the "spec number" sticker is missing from your engine there is a website that you can find it. If anyone one wants TP manuals for other Kohler engines let me know
Many thanks for the information it is heavy LOL but I was given both the blue ones and the red one a few years back. I did get one running but due a major house renovation they have sat on the back burner for a while but th information you have given me is a big help and inspiration as well as the photos on here of course. Is TSP a thinners solvent ?
TSP is tri sodium phosphate a water based alkaline cleaner (strong soap, no bubbles), whats the red saw, cant see it
Parts are still easily attainable. The C stood for convertible because these saws often were used as power plants for post hole augers, ice augers, power generators and water pumps, they also had a clutch attachment to change from a direct drive chain to a gear reduction chain. These C series saw were way overbuilt structural and while heavy for the hp, were reliable over many more years than most saws. The C-51 was 77 cc's, the larger C-71 was 80.5 cc's and the C-91 was 85.5 cc's. Sand blasting with walnut hulls will prep the saw for paint and I recommend a cleaning in a alkaline based cleaner such as TSP or equivalent.
I doubt if there is any book or literature on restoring saws. I collected over 40 old Homelite chainsaws and over 100 Homelite chainsaw manuals, then collected new spare parts for all of them. Cleaning and paint prep on magnesium is different than other metals, but painting a 2 stroke machine that needs to be gas and oil resistant requires a epoxy clear top coat.
I have a friend who was a journalist on a local paper. He'd no time for the tabloid journalists. He said they weren't interested in the truth, just a good story.
It is really disheartening to see much of the media has turned toward tabloid journalism. The profession has really take a downturn. The smearing of people no matter what their their political affiliations are is despicable and lowdown, and it seems that there is no end to this, because the fines these papers pay pale in comparison to the profit they generate. I'm not sure if the media is biased toward one side or the other, my honest inclination is they create division to increase profits.
If the original color is the same as the XL-12 blue, there's a paint Honda Highland Blue which is just about a perfect color match
Thank you! There were at least 3 and probably 4 colors on the blue saws. Early XL--12s and Super XLs, then later XL-12s. Super XLs, XL-700, XL-901, 150s, XL-101 and XL-102s were slightly darker. Then later on there was a Super XL Special Edition and Old Blue that were different from one another as well. There are two Pontiac, blues when mixed match the late 60s blue saws, but you need to use one in none metallic finish to match it perfect. I have worked with colors for over 30 years.
The last time the country was this divided was the English Civil War. It's all very painful & I will be glad when it's over & the news headlines start with something other than Brexit
I think our nation is going through the same type of upheaval, but the States being a younger country, our actions are more like toddlers and yours more like defiant teenagers. the days of statesmanship and compromise seem to be long gone for these days we have people on both sides that refuse to give in on anything. They act immature and stomp their feet, hold their breath until they get what they want. Our parents were supposed to teach us that we don't always get our way, those lessons are no longer meaningful.
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and I as well, seems to be easier to steer