The Compact III is just the series of O&R engine rated for 1HP, earlier engine series were Compact I (¾HP) and Compact II (0.85HP). The oldest ¾HP engines didn't have Compact decal and are occasionally misdescribed as 1HP on auction sites.
Later they changed to using Series 13A for all 1HP engines with that style of starter and 13B for 1HP engines with the square spring housing type starter.
There should be a model letter or type number stamped into the mounting flange on the exhaust side of the engine (later engines had this information on the alloy cylinder plate which often go missing), I do have information for most O&R's but oddly Devillaine is not in the list.
Here is an older engine showing the type on the mounting flange.
And a later 13B engine with the type & serial details on the alloy cylinder plate (or cooling baffle as O&R called it).
Hopefully that will help with finding another engine, if you decide not to rebuild the original engine.
Personally I would try & restore the original engine, as it's part of the history of your car and the serial number tied to that engine helps date the whole thing.
Dear David, thank you again. I will check the mesures as soon as possible ( not at home now...) and send you to check also on your side. I need all the parts to be sure (one starter bag is ok) I need the screws. Do not worry if I write to you next week....I am very busy and not at home. We keep in touch. you can also contact me at md.arbonne@yahoo.fr or voitureapedales.fr@gmail.com
Best wishes from Burgundy - Jean Pascal
Here are the screws (the nut is only required for engines with the condenser/capacitor fitted behind one of the starter screws) & a pair of starter dogs, I've sent a private message with more details.
scrounged up a recoil but the decal is not the same it is a new recoil housing and all new parts. The others I have are with an eyelet not rollers its up to you but I would try to make
it as close as I can to organelle . And I don,t have the screws . just let me know .
That starter housing will only fit the early engines with the screws going in from the rear, they are extremely hard to find without buying another engine and should be kept for restoring early engines, I guess you haven't come across an engine with a damaged one yet. I've had many with them damaged.
Thank you david, yes it is in poor condition....that's sad....Do you think that yours is very different? how to check if it is the good one? how much is it? - regards- jean pascal
This is the one I have, just unpacked it to find out which parts were with it, the paint looks more faded than the pictures show (really needs a repaint).
It should fit your engine, there are another two different styles of starter for earlier & later engines, which is why I asked for the pictures. Later ones with the square spring housing will not fit, nor will early ones due to differences in the magneto coil.
Please let us know if you need the starter dogs as there is only one in the bag, a pair is used. Also do need the screws?The ones in the bag maybe longer and need cutting to match the original ones.
True, along with some of the mini-bikes there will always be lots of interest in them, unfortunately I need to invest in property as I desperately need a bigger workshop space and more space for my collection (instead of renting storage).
4 hours ago, viault said:
This engine is on a kid car from 1966. The french brand DEVILLAINE produced this model named OURAGAN ( hurican...).
http://www.voitureapedales.fr/devillaine-ouragan/. I have 2 of them . One red in very very good and original condition and a rare green also original but not complete ( missing the parts of the recoil starter)....help !
The date seems correct if it's the original engine (sn 100701) , the engine dates from very late 1965 and by the time it wound have taken to ship a batch of them over from the US to France, it would have been built into the car in 1966.
They probably had a version with an electric motor, but offered this one use in remote/rural areas where electricity wasn't available.
Seems we don't have a thread (that I can find with the forum search) for the Beacon Star Saw, but I did find one here that @Wallfish has;
On 3/4/2021 at 7:10 PM, pmackellow said:
One of my US colleagues put me onto this on the bay of e so a purchase was made...
The ePay link was sent to a me as well, but I didn't have the computer on at the time and didn't see it till a day or two later, good to see it went to someone on here. Been a bit busy lately helping my Dad sort through the estate of my late Gran, they kept everything it seems, but we do now have a lot of family history we didn't know about before.
Another one of these appeared yesterday on ePay in France, definitely not a work of art in this condition (needs a lot more than some body filler) but does show most of the parts used in the pictures. It had 9 days left when I saw it earlier today, but just noticed it has ended early before posting.
As the ePay link is now dead, here are some pictures from that listing, it was for the remains of two of these cars, some parts had been repaired and a couple of the pictures clearly showed a lot of the parts used for these.
Nice to see a couple more of those, thanks for adding the pictures of them.
22 hours ago, viault said:
Hi david
thank you for your answer
here are included some photos . I need a complete and working recoil starter or parts to restore it
it is a O&R 1hp 20cc
Regards
That does look in poor condition, the alloy housing is intact but all the steel parts have suffered badly, springs can be found but the bearing for the starter reel are not seen very often and that one has rusted through. If you had access to a lathe I'm sure those could be made along with new rollers for the rope to pass through.
I do have a spare starter that I had wrapped & boxed up for another guy on here, but they never came back to me, would need to check if it's correct for your engine.
Are the starter dogs also missing, as I can't see them in the pictures?
It's been a long build but @CNew Clint lit a fire under my butt when he messaged me recently about some foot pegs. They were ordered and once they showed up it gave some incentive to work on the bike. Still have some stuff to do and think it may get another headlight since it does look better with the dual lights. Haven't cut the handle bars to add a spring so they fold. My father has a gas tank which is much closer to original if not the original type so that will go on once I get it. Finally glad just to be able to post something as it's been a bit slow on the forum.
That's looking very nice now, I agree it definitely looks better with both lights.
The type of gas tank depends if you look at the advert or other bikes, the advert shows the standard O&R tank but pictures of two other bikes show the slightly larger/longer tank, which might be easier to fill with gas.
This view shows two gas caps, one for sealing it for travel (probably best drained as well though) and the other with the usual vent hole? Both have a little chain attached.
Welcome, you just need a little patience to find a suitable O&R engine, one with a reduction gearbox output of 1700RPM or less and a clutch fitted, Model H or Type 195 would be good, but for some unknown reason the 900RPM Model J is far easier to find (maybe lots of never started or completed mini-bike projects ).
You may also find the Speedy Sprayer compressor needs servicing, they have a rubber diaphragm, I don't know what the filter is made from but it would be a good idea to replace it if it's aged badly & gone crumbly like the O&R air filters do.
Here is an exploded parts drawing of one of the Speedy Sprayers from another forum:
I got this one running today. Was in the barn at my homestead when I bought the place. Its 9 degrees out today so a inside bench project was perfect. Anyone have any info?
It's definitely a Kenco water pump, question is does it have the model number or other details on the pump? A previous thread had a link to another Kenco model 61MX3 that had sold on ePay many years ago, can you confirm if this number is correct? Sadly the pictures were too small to be much use.
Second question, can you find a model/type for the engine? This should be stamped into the engine mounting flange on the exhaust side.
I suspect this is the military version we were trying to find more information on, American Kenco Inc are listed on military parts lists that have been digitised & copied by loads of websites.
Hopefully you had a look through the carb repair thread before running the engine.
Your pump looks to be in really nice shape. I haven’t opened up the pump yet but I suspect it will be cracked like yours, especially having lived and used here in the hot desert. I’m going to need to flatten the base plate a bit on mine. Someone also drilled holes in the base plate, probably for some sort of simple loop handle.
I suspect mine didn't get much use before the starter broke or maybe the gas cost more than what they managed to recover with it?
You might be in the right area to find one of these Keene sluice boxes to go with it (the 30" by 6½" version according to the catalog you have).
Seems a bit slow on here recently with no one doing any new projects. O&Rs are great for winter time season but I haven't had time to do anything at all. Then when there is a little time available I don't do anything but rest.
On 1/26/2021 at 10:40 PM, JUST O&R said:
hope all is good ?
Hope all is good with you!
That's a tough call to do all that
@JUST O&R Hope all is well with the move to take care of your family. I've been through similar looking after my Mum, before it became too much for all of us & the home-care.
It's winter here too, but I need to work outside when cleaning O&R's and it's too cold or rainy at the moment, but I'm keeping busy indoors with some vintage electronic projects, the most recent is a nice late 1940's or early 1950's (not sure exactly but it contains some WWII surplus parts) GEC condenser & resistor test bridge, here it is testing one of the failed capacitors that came out of it, need to go test some O&R condensers & coils now.
Picked up this cool O&R Keene pump from a local guy that does gold prospecting as a hobby.
Nice find, I have one of those too, the starter spring was removed, I guess they broke it & never got round to fixing it. The seller also had the matching sluice box but sold it separately.
I think most of these suffer from problems with the plastic impeller.
i have just sold on ebay this may be of interest to you o& r fans (i may be in wrong catagory here if so sorry to moderator) the buyer is not happy thers no coil can anyone help out
I don't know what your buyer was expecting for £16 , but that Turbair sprayer clearly needs a full restoration, but at least it's got the carb & air filter, those are more commonly missing and worth the sale price alone.
It should clean up well, far too cold this time of year to do any cleaning though.
Do you have any pictures of your TAS P7 ice auger? I couldn't see any when I had a look through the thread before posting, you were asking about the type of spark-plug for it, this TAS P7 drill has an NGK B7S if that helps.
A new addition to my collection is this TAS drill which was a Christmas present, the engine is a TAS motor P7 but the starter looks a little different from the other two drills on here, possibly a later version?
I made an aluminum base plate based on DustyB's picture provided. Thanks again DustyB! I used an old scrap speed limit sign I had and cut it out of that. Believe it or not, I was able to find locally, NOS 10-32 Palnuts. It was an all or none purchase so now I have around 80-100 of these... I was not able to find any feet that were close to original so I decided to use what I had, and since I have extra Palnuts, I used them as fasteners on the feet as well. Not correct as original, but it all matches nicely and I think it looks good...
That looks very nice, I couldn't find anything to match those feet either, but did buy some that were much too small.
If you want to sell a few of the Palnuts I could use some, I suspect others may want them too.
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I've had many with them damaged.
, but that Turbair sprayer clearly needs a full restoration, but at least it's got the carb & air filter, those are more commonly missing and worth the sale price alone.
recoil starter for a 1HP O&R (from Devillaine Ouragan)
in Ohlsson and Rice
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The Compact III is just the series of O&R engine rated for 1HP, earlier engine series were Compact I (¾HP) and Compact II (0.85HP). The oldest ¾HP engines didn't have Compact decal and are occasionally misdescribed as 1HP on auction sites.
Later they changed to using Series 13A for all 1HP engines with that style of starter and 13B for 1HP engines with the square spring housing type starter.
There should be a model letter or type number stamped into the mounting flange on the exhaust side of the engine (later engines had this information on the alloy cylinder plate which often go missing), I do have information for most O&R's but oddly Devillaine is not in the list.
Here is an older engine showing the type on the mounting flange.
And a later 13B engine with the type & serial details on the alloy cylinder plate (or cooling baffle as O&R called it).
Hopefully that will help with finding another engine, if you decide not to rebuild the original engine.
Personally I would try & restore the original engine, as it's part of the history of your car and the serial number tied to that engine helps date the whole thing.
David