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Merged the two threads, it isn't necessary to post requests twice. I was wondering when that saw would reappear, it was advertised on farcebook. The starter pawls for the older flywheels are impossible to find, they aren't held in place like the later ones so often go missing, I've had to fit a later flywheel and make a custom sized flywheel key as the sizes are different too. My Chug-A-Saw has a damaged starter too, the early ones are a bit fragile, a later one could be used, but they need modifying to fit the older magneto coil. I would keep an eye out for another engine myself as what's left looks in very poor condition, they do appear in the UK occasionally. David

Yes some of these early engines do not have a serial number, or the bird decal where the model no. is printed, and I have a parts list that mentions the lack of serial numbers (not scanned in yet). Please do not paint this nice early engine, I know a lot of you like repainting your engines. Also note that these early engines use some completely different seals/gaskets, sadly I haven't found a kit to copy the sizes from yet. David

Without looking at one I would say that the odd & even sections have the holes in different places, I'm certain they changed to a more standard design the later engines. Edit: 122-4 & 122-5 muffler sections are gone from the 1962 parts diagram, it states to use 122-3 for all additional sections, as does the 1971 master price list. David

The full range of accessories available in August 1961, including four different lengths of muffler screw, plus remote mufflers & extension tube (has anyone got an early remote muffler & extension tube?). David

These date from sometime between August 1960 to 1961, gearbox models were not available in August 1960, but were due to go into production soon. Here are some pictures from the first brochure, which show the features of these early engines. David

Did they know much about it or the engine used? Prices could temporarily go up again if they have created more interest. Do you know what episode it was in, as apparently this programme is shown in the UK as well? David

Very nice, I have a couple of these with no serial number, but none have a gearbox, or the throttle cable option. I have a letter that mentions the Model A.B, & C engines & the gearbox models would be available soon, will check for a date later. These engines don't have the O&R bird decal on the starter, the starter also doesn't have the oil hole or decal indicating this. The spark-plug cap was an optional accessory, probably best put on another engine as this has the early stop switch. It might not have a hole for an air cleaner, not all the very early engines do. And yes the condenser looks original to this engine. One of mine was stuck from dried oil in the bearings of the induction section. David

Thanks for adding the manual, I'm sure the information will be very useful to anyone that has the Wards Model 10 digger (earth/ice auger), also nice to see Montgomery Ward couldn't spell Ohlsson & Rice (Ohllson & Rice) either. David

It made approx $233 the first time it sold & $225 from the second seller (a couple of months later), add the shipping costs to that. David

Cox (an O&R competitor) made both model engines & the Series 140 engine found on that chainsaw (Beaver), they also sold a bike kit (Bronco), more info here (scroll over half way down); https://www.mh-aerotools.de/airfoils/cox_specials.htm Roper acquired the rights to the Cox Series 140 engine and re-branded the engines & tools. David

There are a pair of O&R chainsaws in this estate clearance auction in New Castle, IN , maybe of interest here and keep a watch for future auctions at the same location as this is the 5th sale they've had ; https://harmeyerauction.hibid.com/lot/63695100/chain-saws--6-in-lot-/?cpage=4&q=&ref=catalog Previously sold Tiny Tiger large tank version for only $38. https://harmeyerauction.hibid.com/lot/58406769/tiny-tiger-generator-in-wood-box/?cpage=3&q=&ref=catalog Cutaway engine for the bargain price of $62. https://harmeyerauction.hibid.com/lot/62247722/ohlsson-and-rice/ David

Nothing unusual I can see with the recoil, it's a Series 13B engine, the chain cover & air filter are different to the Orline versions. David

Found this by accident searching for other chainsaws. Indian branded O&R powered chainsaw on flickr at a show in Milang in Australia; David

Australian Mobilco chainsaw with the TAS motor, could it be a licensed copy of the Petro Chug-A-Saw? http://chainsawphotos.blogspot.com/2005/09/mobilco-vintage-chain-saw.html Note: there are some differences, such as the chain oiler being part of the handle and the handle also has Mobilco cast into it instead of Petro. David

Stupid question, do any of those match properly the size of the original fuel line for O&R's? It's not normally a problem, but with at least one tool the new stuff is too big (externally) to fit the hole in the side of the tank. David

Look familiar? Can't help thinking the tank needs rotating 90 degrees if it's permanently attached to a truck as shown above, also notice who sold it. David P.S. There are about 12 editions of Desert magazine from between 1961 & 1963 with O&R powered products, I need to get links added to the sticky thread as PDF's are available for all of them.

He was complaining how expensive it was in the video, not sure about that as there is cheap tubing on ePay, but not necessarily available in the size you want. David

Well I seem to have two sets of pictures for this winch (it got sold twice on ePay), spot the difference!! I wonder what happened to the small chain guard? And what happened to the decal? David P.S. it made slightly less the second time it sold.

Another early TAS chainsaw (model P73) complete with the original advert, on French chainsaw website; http://collectionneur-tronconneuse.fr/p73#more-92 David

I had seen that one before but don't think I posted it, there is a decal (BHV Bazar) on the other side of it that could be the model/brand/shop that sold it? http://collectionneur-tronconneuse.fr/compact-3#more-1085 I assume you had a look at the Butterfly chainsaw too. http://collectionneur-tronconneuse.fr/p73#more-92 David

Thanks Paul.

Laser cut!!! , I had to square up that thick off-cut of steel for my test/display stand by hand using a hacksaw & file. David

The Model J seems to be one of the more common gearbox models found, PTO output is 900 RPM. It's definitely used on the Halicki Skateboard/Toby Cart, the 1964 DIY Tom Thumb scooter/mini-bike project and possibly the early Petro mini-bike (can anyone confirm). Sorry if listing those has just up the selling price for the Model J. David

Still haven't seen any-more of these K.C. Wiggins Champ generators apart from the Fox powered one and the O&R powered version I have; I never noticed before that the fuse positions are swapped on your generator, are the fuse ratings labelled? David

Yes it is, I've been meaning to add a thread about it but never got round to it, should have time now. It will be fine, the engine on that display stand is only attached on one side (some tools are too, such as one of my hedge trimmers) and it's been to engine shows on the stand. That engine was also stuck when I got it, the oil in the bearings had turned to varnish. David